I must say that the continuing debate on torture has had quite a revelatory effect for many folks, me included. The extent to which those who wish to defend the previous administration are willing to go to offer justification has been nothing short of dizzying. Noonan wants us to "just move along," though she seemed to have sung a different tune on less serious past indiscretions by opposite party characters. One expert assures us that while water-boarding might be torture when some folks do it, it isn't when we do. Why? Because our lawyers were careful to make sure we stayed within legal boundaries. This post from Andrew, conveying the comments of one of his readers is well worth reading. The claim is a simple one: whether we torture has more to do with the kind of people we are, than with the kind of person our prisoner is. And, you know, perhaps at core that is what we all realize, and those who continue to offer a defense simply are unwilling to accept what they have become. Here is the link.